The last one on the rev limiter at full throttle sounds like a sheet of construction paper being ripped in half. LOL
Neons are still not that great. Turbocharged or not.
Thanks! It helps to know I am not just terrible at driving in general, I'm just not persistent enough to see it through. My issue, not LFS's of course. I crashed my motorcycle a few months back and just lately have been getting back into re-learning LFS with a wheel, online, and it's latest and greatest physics developments (raced off and on for the last year) and just re-discovered how great the XRT used to be.
Some time ago I was waaay into a server when the FBM came out, for the life of me can't remember which, that was running at an SO course and had ALOT of fun with that and getting back into LFS once again rediscoverd the TBO class to be alot of fun but was dissapointed to see that there were not alot of TBO races around.
Sorry to thread jack, but, I can't justify starting a whole new thread just to say what I said. Seems 50 new threads pop up every day here in the forums!
Again, thanks for letting me know the TBO class is still getting some lovin' from the community and I just need to keep at it to get there! You guys here at the LFS Forums are some cool guys!
Some time ago I was waaay into a server when the FBM came out, for the life of me can't remember which, that was running at an SO course and had ALOT of fun with that and getting back into LFS once again rediscoverd the TBO class to be alot of fun but was dissapointed to see that there were not alot of TBO races around.
Sorry to thread jack, but, I can't justify starting a whole new thread just to say what I said. Seems 50 new threads pop up every day here in the forums!
Again, thanks for letting me know the TBO class is still getting some lovin' from the community and I just need to keep at it to get there! You guys here at the LFS Forums are some cool guys!
I suppose I am in the same boat as some, and not so much as others here. I don't want to sound like a whiny little girl here, but, I will anyway...
I tend to spend most of my time behind the wheel in a REAL car and don't find alot of time to race on LFS all that much and at the beginning (early S1) I was thrilled with TBO class racing, it was AWSOME!! But as time went on and LFS gained popularity, licences got bought up by alot of people, and overall, the more serious racers I used to enjoy a good battle around Fern Bay with dissapeared (moved to CTRA and such).
I'm not trying to knock CTRA here, but, it's useless for ME (not saying anyone else here) to get any further than 6th or at best 5th place in the "race1" server, hence making it pretty much impossible to get anywhere near racing my beloved TBO class cars (with clean fun drivers) as I enjoyed so much years ago.
Sure I can join a quick server for some TBO action(and it's nearly impossible to find one!), but, it's just not the same as 20 something cars rubbing panels leaving turns, trying to control the wild (to me) turbocharged power of the XRT and giving it my all to keep with the turbo shod FXO's and RB4's. Nobody is doing this outside a sanctioning body within' the community of LFS like they used to.
If you have time to dedicate to this type of thing (sim racing) of course the S2 purchase is totally worth every penny, but, if your just a "here and there" racer as I am, it gets more and more dissapointing to see all the "good" racers move further and further away from you. I have lost alot of interest in LFS aside from the Tweak mods, and the fact the AI have become alot better than most pick up server racers are.
I'm not saying it's not worth a purchase, just understand you need to be serious to get anything near prefect out of this. I try my hardest, but, obviously I am not that good of a driver, and more so not that dedicated to being part of a team/community like DMR or CTRA.
When the TBO class was open to entry with CTRA, it was the best racing I had ever found. And go ahead and look up my stats on CTRA, you will notice my level of frustration with the race1 servers as I have quit all but 1 or 2 races (since X-system) because of the fact I stand no chance at gaining a single point. I suck, big deal.
Sorry this is such a long rant here, but, just figured being around since near the beginning and loosing touch with LFS all together due to the formation of really dedicated racing community's within' LFS that have taken away the good racers or the ones that made TBO class racing fun, I would add my two pennies. It probably don't matter a thing, but, if you have something you can suggest to get me back into the TBO class races that are worth it, I am all ears!
I never cared if I finished last in the TBO events, it was about the good fun clean racing you could have and the nearly uncontrollable power of turbo cars on street tires pushed to their physical limits. The improved physics and the bigger community would only make pick up server TBO races more fun than ever had the same racers stayed. Am I missing something here? Probably, and plenty of people will let me have it for this.
Considering a new hobby,
Ben
I tend to spend most of my time behind the wheel in a REAL car and don't find alot of time to race on LFS all that much and at the beginning (early S1) I was thrilled with TBO class racing, it was AWSOME!! But as time went on and LFS gained popularity, licences got bought up by alot of people, and overall, the more serious racers I used to enjoy a good battle around Fern Bay with dissapeared (moved to CTRA and such).
I'm not trying to knock CTRA here, but, it's useless for ME (not saying anyone else here) to get any further than 6th or at best 5th place in the "race1" server, hence making it pretty much impossible to get anywhere near racing my beloved TBO class cars (with clean fun drivers) as I enjoyed so much years ago.
Sure I can join a quick server for some TBO action(and it's nearly impossible to find one!), but, it's just not the same as 20 something cars rubbing panels leaving turns, trying to control the wild (to me) turbocharged power of the XRT and giving it my all to keep with the turbo shod FXO's and RB4's. Nobody is doing this outside a sanctioning body within' the community of LFS like they used to.
If you have time to dedicate to this type of thing (sim racing) of course the S2 purchase is totally worth every penny, but, if your just a "here and there" racer as I am, it gets more and more dissapointing to see all the "good" racers move further and further away from you. I have lost alot of interest in LFS aside from the Tweak mods, and the fact the AI have become alot better than most pick up server racers are.
I'm not saying it's not worth a purchase, just understand you need to be serious to get anything near prefect out of this. I try my hardest, but, obviously I am not that good of a driver, and more so not that dedicated to being part of a team/community like DMR or CTRA.
When the TBO class was open to entry with CTRA, it was the best racing I had ever found. And go ahead and look up my stats on CTRA, you will notice my level of frustration with the race1 servers as I have quit all but 1 or 2 races (since X-system) because of the fact I stand no chance at gaining a single point. I suck, big deal.
Sorry this is such a long rant here, but, just figured being around since near the beginning and loosing touch with LFS all together due to the formation of really dedicated racing community's within' LFS that have taken away the good racers or the ones that made TBO class racing fun, I would add my two pennies. It probably don't matter a thing, but, if you have something you can suggest to get me back into the TBO class races that are worth it, I am all ears!
I never cared if I finished last in the TBO events, it was about the good fun clean racing you could have and the nearly uncontrollable power of turbo cars on street tires pushed to their physical limits. The improved physics and the bigger community would only make pick up server TBO races more fun than ever had the same racers stayed. Am I missing something here? Probably, and plenty of people will let me have it for this.
Considering a new hobby,
Ben
Never had it dyno'd and always fear sounding like a fool stating power numbers that might be on the high side for a car with 180,000 miles and has probably been abused a fair amount of it's life.
Having had a 2nd gen supra that was considerably crappier and quite a few years older that handed the MR2 it's butt in power, I feel the MR2 could use a rebuild pretty bad. It's awful slugish when picking up from a roll or even more so from a dead stop.
I swear my 4AFE cars had much more go power than this (dare I say it) junk engine people refer to as the holy grail of toyota performance when it's like the over rated honda engines everyone in america can't get enough of. Life begins at reasonable torque numbers, not high revving junk like most "tuners" sink countless thousands into.
The 4age and most honda engines feel like a slick shod UF1, all noise, all handling, but absolute crap for torque to turn the driveline and tires.
IMHO you can't handle an AW11 at the absolute limit without doing it with the RAC first. LFS is the best simulation to date. I have saved some nasty slides and near misses IRL with nearly everything! Rwd, fwd, awd, trucks and cars alike, with the help of LFS's "seat time" I beleive it made me a much better driver in the sence of control over the dynamic forces acting upon a 4 wheeled vehicle.
I'm not saying if you can drift or turn hot laps in LFS you can in real life, but, it will improve your awareness of the vehicle and the behavior of it.
RAC with intake restriction set to about 115bhp and hybrid tires helped prepare for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LHsWMVsdWE
AW11 MR2 (built for auto-x) with summer performance tires, open diff., about 95bhp, and a LFS fanatic behind the wheel! (btw, this is my brother behind the wheel not me! I'm driving the legacy estate chase car)
I'm not saying if you can drift or turn hot laps in LFS you can in real life, but, it will improve your awareness of the vehicle and the behavior of it.
RAC with intake restriction set to about 115bhp and hybrid tires helped prepare for this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LHsWMVsdWE
AW11 MR2 (built for auto-x) with summer performance tires, open diff., about 95bhp, and a LFS fanatic behind the wheel!
(btw, this is my brother behind the wheel not me! I'm driving the legacy estate chase car)in real life yes you can shift and rev match a manual transmission car without the clutch. Very destructive and I only know because my clutch cable broke on my first car and I drove it home 6 miles in the snow without the clutch and used all 5 gears.
in LFS, not that I know of. I think I may have tried it, but not sure if it would even be worth it. Turn on autoclutch if you don't care to depress a pedal.
as for a grinding noise, just have to wait and see if it gets implamented into the game.
My spelling sucks, I know, public schools and all
in LFS, not that I know of. I think I may have tried it, but not sure if it would even be worth it. Turn on autoclutch if you don't care to depress a pedal.
as for a grinding noise, just have to wait and see if it gets implamented into the game.
My spelling sucks, I know, public schools and all
FFB on a DFP900 turned waaay up in the XFG is alot like a non power steering 1990 toyota corolla or even more so in a 1982 toyota supra without ps. It's pretty real to life for me and I started with cars waaaaay before LFS with a 900 degree capable wheel.
The XRT transfering between corners during a small slide can produce that same "spin" of the wheel from lock to lock on LFS as in real life, and that my friend is not something I have found in ANY other sim. Curbing yanks on the wrists to the point that 20+laps of curb slamming can make for some sore joints.
The XRT transfering between corners during a small slide can produce that same "spin" of the wheel from lock to lock on LFS as in real life, and that my friend is not something I have found in ANY other sim. Curbing yanks on the wrists to the point that 20+laps of curb slamming can make for some sore joints.
First things first, drifting is a direct result of going too fast in the first place. You need to learn how to control the car on the edge of traction before you can truelly control the car beyond the lateral adhesion of the tires.
In other words, try just pushing it hard enough to get just a little sideways and take it slow and easy learning bit by bit how to "hold" a "drift" longer.
It sounds like your trying to plow the throttle through the floor and hold the steering at the full opposite lock. Drifting is so much more than that. Watch some best motoring, option video, and even just some private video's filmed from off in the "touge". Watching foot movement and steering input of real drivers and practicing alot will eventually lead to being what so many love or hate. A "drifter".
As said in 2nd post, the "drift bible". It's everything you need for the building blocks of a winning ability.
However in the world you can win anything about drifting... if we could put rainbows in zoo's, we would.
Good luck.
In other words, try just pushing it hard enough to get just a little sideways and take it slow and easy learning bit by bit how to "hold" a "drift" longer.
It sounds like your trying to plow the throttle through the floor and hold the steering at the full opposite lock. Drifting is so much more than that. Watch some best motoring, option video, and even just some private video's filmed from off in the "touge". Watching foot movement and steering input of real drivers and practicing alot will eventually lead to being what so many love or hate. A "drifter".
As said in 2nd post, the "drift bible". It's everything you need for the building blocks of a winning ability.
However in the world you can win anything about drifting... if we could put rainbows in zoo's, we would.
Good luck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... cNMyE&feature=related
One fast lap of R.A. Even a superbike makes this track look thin. Imagine 30 GTR class cars online at a track like this. Oh the possibities.
If the dev's did add any "real" track to LFS, I'm sure we will all be very pleased with the choice. But, for now, Fern Bay-Black is the closest I can get to road america.
Like my last post said. MCN (the american one) topped out 5th gear on a Busa on the strait that Jason Pridmore was doing 170 on with a liter bike. What a rush.
One fast lap of R.A. Even a superbike makes this track look thin. Imagine 30 GTR class cars online at a track like this. Oh the possibities.
If the dev's did add any "real" track to LFS, I'm sure we will all be very pleased with the choice. But, for now, Fern Bay-Black is the closest I can get to road america.
Like my last post said. MCN (the american one) topped out 5th gear on a Busa on the strait that Jason Pridmore was doing 170 on with a liter bike. What a rush.
I have to agree with Tristan about things being easier and it influencing dynamics LONG before it gets to, or near, an emergency level.
How would I know this? I had an oppurtunity to drive a 2003 Subaru Legacy (estate) with VDC, ABS, and traction control on a winding snow covered road. I saw every thing it had to offer thrown out to keep the car in line and out of the ditch. It even gave me oversteer when I was understeering. It is indeed an AID. It also comes on and "helps" LOOOOOOOONG before any kind of danger is reached. (5 speed automatic)
Then in the same hour I was driving through that same twisty bit of road in another car. A 1987 Toyota MR2. No electronics to change any dynamic condition of the car what-so-ever. Not even the ever desired ABS that has been proposed so many times for LFS. (5 speed manual)
Gran Turismo did it best with the TCS and ASM, the developers choice to have those things on EVERY time you buy a new car... what a pain in the ass that game was! I hated every minute of tuning and retuning the suspension to get it to feel like anything near a car.
LFS is here because it didn't follow the leader.
As for new models? I dunno, I like to get a new suprise every time a patch is released, its like winning the lottery every 6 months or so! LFS is fine, new car or not. I'm still coping with the stable full of new monsters since the release of S2. (open wheels and GTR cars, then we get the FBM before I even touch the williams BMW) Its all moving so fast already!
If anything, we need more 70's and 80's spirit cars in it. Newer cars just dont have that raw, gritty, smell like petrol, rubber, brakes and oil.
Sorry for the long winded speech, this thread got very interesting and then I knew something about what was being talked about.
Not to sound the ignorant American stereotype here, but, my local track is VERY underrated, VERY technical, pretty much The U.S.'s Bathurst.
Road America, it's a 4 mile road course winding through the hills of Wisonsin, All the way from a strait that can top a Hyabusa out, to a curve called the carousel that will make you wonder if your going to ever stop turning.
The uphill corners, the downhill corners, blind crests, off camber's, massive and light elavation changes, light sweepers, flat out kinks, and its rather wide for being as long as it is.
Plenty of passing room, but narrow enough to close the door on a rival trying to make a last minute move. Totally under rated, never even considered unless your from out in the sticks like me and have access to it.
MCN topped out 180+mph in 5th gear on the new hyabusa at road america on the front strait.
I would think that if they were going to put in a track that was interesting and competative, Cadwell(?) Park, Bathurst, or, R. A. would be on the top of my list to see in it.
Road America, it's a 4 mile road course winding through the hills of Wisonsin, All the way from a strait that can top a Hyabusa out, to a curve called the carousel that will make you wonder if your going to ever stop turning.
The uphill corners, the downhill corners, blind crests, off camber's, massive and light elavation changes, light sweepers, flat out kinks, and its rather wide for being as long as it is.
Plenty of passing room, but narrow enough to close the door on a rival trying to make a last minute move. Totally under rated, never even considered unless your from out in the sticks like me and have access to it.
MCN topped out 180+mph in 5th gear on the new hyabusa at road america on the front strait.
I would think that if they were going to put in a track that was interesting and competative, Cadwell(?) Park, Bathurst, or, R. A. would be on the top of my list to see in it.
I finally have it. The reason that drifters are disliked more than anything.
In the world of motorcycle riders there are a few groups, of course the harley guys are one of them and living 200 miles from Milwaukee, yeah, the old harley plant is there, I see plenty of them.
There is what we called Bikers, as described before under harley rider. And the professional attitude of the lifestyle, the Motorcyclist. I am of the latter and lately have been dealing with an influx of clowns with little to no riding ability or talent what-so-ever. These idiots call themselfs "stunters".
They wreck nice bikes, dont wear proper gear, talk all kinds of garbage, and generally give riding a worse name than any harley rider could or would.
It seems our friend here considers drifters to be about the equal to stunters. A bunch of one trick clowns that belong under a circus tent rather than on the local track or back road. I see why.
My arguement to it is that the guys that call themselfs Pro in the stunt world, they are damn good, because they moved to stunt riding from racing for more of a personal best rather than battle the pack. Of course Mat Mladin is not gonna go stunting because he is getting bored with the SBK. But the guy we know as Ghost Rider started out on the track too. Patrick Furstenhoff was quite the racer before the films he made and you see a little stunting in some of those too.
More reason to my chosen name on here is the fact that Tsuchiya himself was a very avid racer before he retired some years back and has involved himself more in the drifting scene.
Ueo, the guy from D1 with a Groupe A derived engine in his AE86 dropped from the roster a few years back because he was loosing his ability to use his peripheral vision in the competition aspect of drifting, so, he went back to clubman racing for a season to brush up on his skill. Went back to the D1 and took the whole championship with the mighty Corolla.
Drifting is a lateral move for professionals that have it all. I fully understand your disinterest in attending a track day, but, if you ever get a chance to talk to a professional racer, that also drifts, you may get the reason for drifting that your looking for.
In the world of motorcycle riders there are a few groups, of course the harley guys are one of them and living 200 miles from Milwaukee, yeah, the old harley plant is there, I see plenty of them.
There is what we called Bikers, as described before under harley rider. And the professional attitude of the lifestyle, the Motorcyclist. I am of the latter and lately have been dealing with an influx of clowns with little to no riding ability or talent what-so-ever. These idiots call themselfs "stunters".
They wreck nice bikes, dont wear proper gear, talk all kinds of garbage, and generally give riding a worse name than any harley rider could or would.
It seems our friend here considers drifters to be about the equal to stunters. A bunch of one trick clowns that belong under a circus tent rather than on the local track or back road. I see why.
My arguement to it is that the guys that call themselfs Pro in the stunt world, they are damn good, because they moved to stunt riding from racing for more of a personal best rather than battle the pack. Of course Mat Mladin is not gonna go stunting because he is getting bored with the SBK. But the guy we know as Ghost Rider started out on the track too. Patrick Furstenhoff was quite the racer before the films he made and you see a little stunting in some of those too.
More reason to my chosen name on here is the fact that Tsuchiya himself was a very avid racer before he retired some years back and has involved himself more in the drifting scene.
Ueo, the guy from D1 with a Groupe A derived engine in his AE86 dropped from the roster a few years back because he was loosing his ability to use his peripheral vision in the competition aspect of drifting, so, he went back to clubman racing for a season to brush up on his skill. Went back to the D1 and took the whole championship with the mighty Corolla.
Drifting is a lateral move for professionals that have it all. I fully understand your disinterest in attending a track day, but, if you ever get a chance to talk to a professional racer, that also drifts, you may get the reason for drifting that your looking for.
Well, there is the reason I went S1 then S2 as soon as I experienced the faceless ramming that goes with the demo servers.
As for the diffrence between choku dori's and sidebraking, well, didn't that just explain them? Far as a diffrence, the side brake entry, vs the choku dori, I am not sure how much further from the same they can get?
I tried to make as much sence of what you said as I could, I understand english is NOT a first language for everyone and that it is very gracious of you all that have learned it to speak it as best as possible. Thanks.
I'm a one trick pony though. I can spot a line great, but, hanging the tail out, abusing my car is what I do best. My brother on the other hand is the one that is the "grip" driver for lack of a better universal term.
My real name is Ben, I'm from the upper midwest and I'm just an average guy with above average talent and knowledge of motorsports. I am far from the best, but, I do well. The whole keiichi thing was a joke among friends back when I first started drifting and has nothing to do with my ability behind the wheel, the name was all for laughs. Kinda stuck with it now, eh?
atlantian- "i got my revenge...muahahahahaha...."
Seems to be the first real reason demo users and S2 users dont get along, things said out loud like that.
As for the diffrence between choku dori's and sidebraking, well, didn't that just explain them? Far as a diffrence, the side brake entry, vs the choku dori, I am not sure how much further from the same they can get?
I tried to make as much sence of what you said as I could, I understand english is NOT a first language for everyone and that it is very gracious of you all that have learned it to speak it as best as possible. Thanks.
I'm a one trick pony though. I can spot a line great, but, hanging the tail out, abusing my car is what I do best. My brother on the other hand is the one that is the "grip" driver for lack of a better universal term.
My real name is Ben, I'm from the upper midwest and I'm just an average guy with above average talent and knowledge of motorsports. I am far from the best, but, I do well. The whole keiichi thing was a joke among friends back when I first started drifting and has nothing to do with my ability behind the wheel, the name was all for laughs. Kinda stuck with it now, eh?
atlantian- "i got my revenge...muahahahahaha...."
Seems to be the first real reason demo users and S2 users dont get along, things said out loud like that.
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Reason : What was the need to say this?
First and foremost, yes it is I the famous DoriDOri himself speaking english and all, 23 years younger and cocky as hell! What up now?!
On a more serious note, I wrote out what I believe to be the best explanation of drifting in and of itself from the perspective of America's Dori-Dori.
There are many reasons one would drift, but, its hard to give a definition when everyone that tried it or even likes it
has got some knowledge about it so I will break it down and tell you why I drift.
I started into the drifting scene at a very young age and never really gave it up. I was fasinated by the way a car can move
and the way it sounds when driven hard. Road racing, grip driving, touring, whatever you want to call it, keeping the back end in
was were I started. I gained more and more ability behind the wheel and Gran Tourismo (1-4) fed the need to enter corners at
100+mph. The all out rush of being on the edge of traction was great and the fact you could get what was more or less
drifting out of a well tuned car was where I was hooked into the sim's for practice time and real crazy speed.
Drifting is not OUT OF CONTROL... its really so far from the truth to say that. Saudi drifters are out of control. Wreckless.
The basis of drifting is holding a slip angle, yes, but that has so little to do with why we do it. The way a car reacts to
input that results in what appears as loss of control is really a whole lot of control being poured into the controls of the
vehicle. The adrenaline rush of entering a corner sideways and knowing you have it all under control is the best feeling in
the world, its right up there with exiting a corner with a slight amount of wheel slip to get MAX acceleration down that final
strait to cross the line and lay down another FAST lap.
I do it in real life because of the feeling. As you would feel hearing a song you wrote, making that goal that wins the game,
or even landing that job you always worked so damn hard for. When your counter steering around a corner and you bump full
opposite lock, that's the moment you worked so hard for.
The feeling you get when you connect 10 corners together and nobody but you saw it... thats the moment that makes it all so
worth it. Drifting is a personal thing. No 2 drift cars are the same, no 2 drivers drive the same, no 2 sessions are the same.
No matter what, the experience is like nothing else. Just as a WR hotlap would be the culmination of so many laps of hard earned
skill.
Drifting Explained as well as I can:
Until the car is near turning backward you can FEEL the angle, how close you are getting to the limit, how far you can go, and not every
corner or every transfer corner to corner will be full lock, or wide open throttle. Its a balancing act. You steer with the
wheel and the pedals. When your at a full turn opposite of the corner and opening or closing the throttle changes the angle
its the balance of steering and throttle/brake that you use to tighten or loosen the angle of the car.
The emergency or side brake is something that is very misunderstood in the drifting world. When you are trying to get a longer
slide into a tight corner you might give it a tug to get sideways, and, when you get the angle balanced out you can give it
another tug and hold it to keep that angle but keep moving strait the way your front wheels are pointed.
Taking away ALL the traction of the rear end when it begins the arc toward the inside of the corner leaves only the fronts to
take up all the duty of steering and angle, your just dragging the back end down into the corner. The less traction the rear has
the more dependent the car will be on steering angle because the rear will have nothing to offer in terms of traction. Allowing
the car to continue in a straiter line since the tires pointing toward the inside are doing notthing.
Its all about the balance of what is available for traction.
Drift car setups are very touchy to even try to explain. Myth number one is you need BIG camber, high power, and even a RWD to
achieve it. FWD setup on the proper tire and wheel sizes can do more than anyone can give credit for. Its all about control,
setup and aftermarket parts only help you tune in the characteristic's you are confortable with.
Grip drivers as some would call it, setup the race car for a certian amound of bump and rebound in the rear to keep the back end
in check. A drifter would tweak that setup a little to give less traction to keep the rear end out. And the whole camber issue,
whoa, now there is a misconstrued ideal. Big camber is for bigger traction at large angles that would normally have a tire at a
+5 degree camber angle during entry. Ever seen a cadillac slide a corner on dry asphalt? Motortrend ran an article some years back that
was accompanied by 2 pictures of a caddie in what they called "oversteer" and that was doing some damage to the alignment, then
the other pic was called so perfectly "psychosteer" where the front left tire was folded under the car and the rim was eating a
very unhealthy amount of asphalt. Big camber means big traction at high G slip angles.
The snow is falling, I have acsess to an AW11 MR2 and a MX83 Cressida .... I'm going to DRIFT!
Be back when the snow goes away and all I have is LFS again to practice.
Yes, dry asphalt indeed is destructive to tires and suspention, seperates seam welds and weakens overall structure, thats probably why most drift cars only last a few years at most. Not to mention all the crashing that seems to happen with everyone else.
****edit, choku means strait, dori means drift, according to you. Doesn't that indeed mean drifting on a strait as the japanese always told me? WTF is manji? I'm gonna go look this one up, here I come wikepedia!
**********EDIT 2
Manji or Choku Dori, means swaying drift or pendulum drift. Ha! Were both right!
On a more serious note, I wrote out what I believe to be the best explanation of drifting in and of itself from the perspective of America's Dori-Dori.
There are many reasons one would drift, but, its hard to give a definition when everyone that tried it or even likes it
has got some knowledge about it so I will break it down and tell you why I drift.
I started into the drifting scene at a very young age and never really gave it up. I was fasinated by the way a car can move
and the way it sounds when driven hard. Road racing, grip driving, touring, whatever you want to call it, keeping the back end in
was were I started. I gained more and more ability behind the wheel and Gran Tourismo (1-4) fed the need to enter corners at
100+mph. The all out rush of being on the edge of traction was great and the fact you could get what was more or less
drifting out of a well tuned car was where I was hooked into the sim's for practice time and real crazy speed.
Drifting is not OUT OF CONTROL... its really so far from the truth to say that. Saudi drifters are out of control. Wreckless.
The basis of drifting is holding a slip angle, yes, but that has so little to do with why we do it. The way a car reacts to
input that results in what appears as loss of control is really a whole lot of control being poured into the controls of the
vehicle. The adrenaline rush of entering a corner sideways and knowing you have it all under control is the best feeling in
the world, its right up there with exiting a corner with a slight amount of wheel slip to get MAX acceleration down that final
strait to cross the line and lay down another FAST lap.
I do it in real life because of the feeling. As you would feel hearing a song you wrote, making that goal that wins the game,
or even landing that job you always worked so damn hard for. When your counter steering around a corner and you bump full
opposite lock, that's the moment you worked so hard for.
The feeling you get when you connect 10 corners together and nobody but you saw it... thats the moment that makes it all so
worth it. Drifting is a personal thing. No 2 drift cars are the same, no 2 drivers drive the same, no 2 sessions are the same.
No matter what, the experience is like nothing else. Just as a WR hotlap would be the culmination of so many laps of hard earned
skill.
Drifting Explained as well as I can:
Until the car is near turning backward you can FEEL the angle, how close you are getting to the limit, how far you can go, and not every
corner or every transfer corner to corner will be full lock, or wide open throttle. Its a balancing act. You steer with the
wheel and the pedals. When your at a full turn opposite of the corner and opening or closing the throttle changes the angle
its the balance of steering and throttle/brake that you use to tighten or loosen the angle of the car.
The emergency or side brake is something that is very misunderstood in the drifting world. When you are trying to get a longer
slide into a tight corner you might give it a tug to get sideways, and, when you get the angle balanced out you can give it
another tug and hold it to keep that angle but keep moving strait the way your front wheels are pointed.
Taking away ALL the traction of the rear end when it begins the arc toward the inside of the corner leaves only the fronts to
take up all the duty of steering and angle, your just dragging the back end down into the corner. The less traction the rear has
the more dependent the car will be on steering angle because the rear will have nothing to offer in terms of traction. Allowing
the car to continue in a straiter line since the tires pointing toward the inside are doing notthing.
Its all about the balance of what is available for traction.
Drift car setups are very touchy to even try to explain. Myth number one is you need BIG camber, high power, and even a RWD to
achieve it. FWD setup on the proper tire and wheel sizes can do more than anyone can give credit for. Its all about control,
setup and aftermarket parts only help you tune in the characteristic's you are confortable with.
Grip drivers as some would call it, setup the race car for a certian amound of bump and rebound in the rear to keep the back end
in check. A drifter would tweak that setup a little to give less traction to keep the rear end out. And the whole camber issue,
whoa, now there is a misconstrued ideal. Big camber is for bigger traction at large angles that would normally have a tire at a
+5 degree camber angle during entry. Ever seen a cadillac slide a corner on dry asphalt? Motortrend ran an article some years back that
was accompanied by 2 pictures of a caddie in what they called "oversteer" and that was doing some damage to the alignment, then
the other pic was called so perfectly "psychosteer" where the front left tire was folded under the car and the rim was eating a
very unhealthy amount of asphalt. Big camber means big traction at high G slip angles.
The snow is falling, I have acsess to an AW11 MR2 and a MX83 Cressida .... I'm going to DRIFT!
Be back when the snow goes away and all I have is LFS again to practice.
Yes, dry asphalt indeed is destructive to tires and suspention, seperates seam welds and weakens overall structure, thats probably why most drift cars only last a few years at most. Not to mention all the crashing that seems to happen with everyone else.
****edit, choku means strait, dori means drift, according to you. Doesn't that indeed mean drifting on a strait as the japanese always told me? WTF is manji? I'm gonna go look this one up, here I come wikepedia!
**********EDIT 2
Manji or Choku Dori, means swaying drift or pendulum drift. Ha! Were both right!
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Reason : WTF is manji?
Well, the way it looks is though NOBODY thus far that has replied has even come remotely close to even explaining a thing about what drifting really is. The whole concept has been missed and the topic has been turned into another "I LIKE IT", "I DONT LIKE IT" things.
The guy was not asking for eveyone's opinions on this subject, he was asking for an answer. All he got was more reasons to ask questions.
I really would like to explain this to you, I would. But the whole thing would take some time. Not to mention everyones corrections of what I KNOW to be true.
I will send you an IM, i'll try to keep it short, but I know I can at least give you perspective from a RL drifter such as myself. If anyone else here can at least give a small reason why we do this in real life, it might help to shed some light on why we all flock to LFS to practice.
manji???? More like choku-dori.
The guy was not asking for eveyone's opinions on this subject, he was asking for an answer. All he got was more reasons to ask questions.
I really would like to explain this to you, I would. But the whole thing would take some time. Not to mention everyones corrections of what I KNOW to be true.
I will send you an IM, i'll try to keep it short, but I know I can at least give you perspective from a RL drifter such as myself. If anyone else here can at least give a small reason why we do this in real life, it might help to shed some light on why we all flock to LFS to practice.
manji???? More like choku-dori.
The MRT5 is as correct as I can feel for what it is and the limits given to simulate an exact spec car like it.
I can't really say how but I have experienced the Y patch with an MRT5 and the rev's re-set to pull HARD to 12-13,000rpm.
Its much too twitchy for the normal driver to be worth tuning a laptime. A few loonatics would love it like that but its a spec car, right?
I can't really say how but I have experienced the Y patch with an MRT5 and the rev's re-set to pull HARD to 12-13,000rpm.
Its much too twitchy for the normal driver to be worth tuning a laptime. A few loonatics would love it like that but its a spec car, right?
Whoops, I spoke too soon. V8 engine! Happy happy happy happy happy! 1UZ-FE, 2UZ-FE, Judd V8 engines, and of course my narrow american mind had to try a chevy engine!
Get it working for all the cars and you can count on a donation from me. All be it not huge, I can try! If everyone pitched in a few cents you might be able to get S3 for free!
*edit- shift+A and liter plus a few creative value changes can make any engine on the planet!
Happy happy happy happy happy! 1UZ-FE, 2UZ-FE, Judd V8 engines, and of course my narrow american mind had to try a chevy engine!Get it working for all the cars and you can count on a donation from me.
All be it not huge, I can try! If everyone pitched in a few cents you might be able to get S3 for free!*edit- shift+A and liter plus a few creative value changes can make any engine on the planet!
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Reason : new thought
I understand. It's only my 3rd LFS vid so of course its not that good. I really tried. I have waaay too much going on to bother with 5 hours of video editing. The hour I spent on this vid was pretty much the last time I promo LFS. I'm obviously not doing it as well as some so I might as well just keep to the real car video's promoting my brothers tuning comapany.
Thanks for the constructive reply's everyone, even you squidhead!
Drift-R a video of me...
Yeah, trial version of fraps, sue me. Not the greatest quality, but, my comp. sux. Tried my damndest to make it look as good (real) as possible, turned up all the GFX till the replay would barely run at all.
First half of the vid is highlights, after text comes up its the run start to finish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SMjvZovH0
First half of the vid is highlights, after text comes up its the run start to finish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SMjvZovH0
So what's this program supposed to do aside from only being able to add a million bhp? I can't make a V8 in any of the cars at all. It doesn't carry over to the LX cars or anything like at one point in these posts someone said it did. Am I missing something here? Am I not using this right?
Would love to make a Judd V8 in the XRT
Would love to make a Judd V8 in the XRT
Wow, I didn't edit a thing on my first post... or any of them for that matter... where did you get that?
I didn't brag about anything. I stated facts because EVERYONE I know seems to have been clueless to the fact LFS exists.
I was trying to state what the whole thing was about. I still am not understanding where this was all taken offense to.
NOTHING HAS BEEN EDITED. I am very suprised that you would say something like that. When I first post some stuff I realize I didn't proof read well enough and take out errors, but no, I didn't edit a thing about any of my messages to make them sound softer.
This is why I dont understand the critics here. I was very forward about what the details were about the video. As far as you can take it with tweak was as close to the RSR car I could get. Ever setup a drift car in real life? Its a basic formula that can be applied to anything with adjustment to fit the situation. Almost all D1 cars are on a very similar setup toe and camber angle wise.
I don't ever once recall saying I was the best or I could out drift anyone (but said I wanted to see someone that was being rude to do the corner on the exact same setup--still yet to see proof it was the same I doubt it was). I know for a fact that I said VERY clearly on in my very 1ST post that I had a few drinks, it was by no means drifting, and that I HOPE it clears things up so I dont get harassed about it.
In fact here are the exact things I said to try to diffuse this all!!!
1. DFP900, clutch, brake, gas. Auto clutch off. Sequential shifter, realistic handbrake. Crappy, outdated computer. What more can I say. I live for this kind of stuff in real life and LFS allows my exploration into the HIGH HP and HIGH SPEED.
** I explained my setup. How hard is it to just see it as it's written? Why think I am saying I am better for being able to drive with this stuff???
2. p.s. This is not "drifting" it is just a high speed entry and massive show off style smoke. Nothing more than a big corner, massive speed, and lots of tire smoke. Drifting is so much more than what the video shows.
**How much clearer can it get? I was saying 130mph to initiate a slide is big, at least for me. Lots/Massive smoke because its the most my computer can handle and still gets slow every so often. I said I wasn't drifting, why did this turn into a drifting arguement?
The only other thing I can say is the "700hp I kid you not" was about the fact it was in patch Y and was indeed 700hp. Not too many vids of that sort of thing, didn't think it would hurt to mention it.
Whats wrong with me saying I can do better? I never said I was the best, better, or even a drifter! How about that!
So let the flaming begin, this looooong ass post will keep you guys busy for the next 10 hours replying and picking it all apart and taking it out of context until I sound like some raving loonatic like I know I already do trying to defend myself to every single one of you guys that have to come at me with this "your a phony" attitude.
You guys need to chill out and go flame some demo users or something. I just tryed to share.
I didn't brag about anything. I stated facts because EVERYONE I know seems to have been clueless to the fact LFS exists.
I was trying to state what the whole thing was about. I still am not understanding where this was all taken offense to.
NOTHING HAS BEEN EDITED. I am very suprised that you would say something like that. When I first post some stuff I realize I didn't proof read well enough and take out errors, but no, I didn't edit a thing about any of my messages to make them sound softer.
This is why I dont understand the critics here. I was very forward about what the details were about the video. As far as you can take it with tweak was as close to the RSR car I could get. Ever setup a drift car in real life? Its a basic formula that can be applied to anything with adjustment to fit the situation. Almost all D1 cars are on a very similar setup toe and camber angle wise.
I don't ever once recall saying I was the best or I could out drift anyone (but said I wanted to see someone that was being rude to do the corner on the exact same setup--still yet to see proof it was the same I doubt it was). I know for a fact that I said VERY clearly on in my very 1ST post that I had a few drinks, it was by no means drifting, and that I HOPE it clears things up so I dont get harassed about it.
In fact here are the exact things I said to try to diffuse this all!!!
1. DFP900, clutch, brake, gas. Auto clutch off. Sequential shifter, realistic handbrake. Crappy, outdated computer. What more can I say. I live for this kind of stuff in real life and LFS allows my exploration into the HIGH HP and HIGH SPEED.
** I explained my setup. How hard is it to just see it as it's written? Why think I am saying I am better for being able to drive with this stuff???
2. p.s. This is not "drifting" it is just a high speed entry and massive show off style smoke. Nothing more than a big corner, massive speed, and lots of tire smoke. Drifting is so much more than what the video shows.
**How much clearer can it get? I was saying 130mph to initiate a slide is big, at least for me. Lots/Massive smoke because its the most my computer can handle and still gets slow every so often. I said I wasn't drifting, why did this turn into a drifting arguement?
The only other thing I can say is the "700hp I kid you not" was about the fact it was in patch Y and was indeed 700hp. Not too many vids of that sort of thing, didn't think it would hurt to mention it.
Whats wrong with me saying I can do better? I never said I was the best, better, or even a drifter! How about that!
So let the flaming begin, this looooong ass post will keep you guys busy for the next 10 hours replying and picking it all apart and taking it out of context until I sound like some raving loonatic like I know I already do trying to defend myself to every single one of you guys that have to come at me with this "your a phony" attitude.
You guys need to chill out and go flame some demo users or something. I just tryed to share.
Well, see? I said I can throw down "like" a pro, here is one to show me how its done! I see the super clean entry at waaaay over what I was doing, the clean APEX and of course more smoke and a fatter exit than I could do.
Mine was LIKE it though, was it not??
I have re-read my first post and my 2nd and 3rd, a few times. I still dont understand what exactly I had said that got eveyone so worked up. I only stated I am good, not perfect, that I got a damn good entry and some good smoke, to my standard.
I do see now, that others spend much more time on this and practice alot more than I do. I was sure that I wasn't a great drifter but I know that I dont completly suck. At least not totally.
Of course thinking your the best is going to cause you to fall and break your crown, but, knowing your good at something is not terrible.
Senna is great to quote from, but here is one from a close friend.
"Confidence is the key to success in drifting. If your too worried about scratched paint your never going to own the local touge."
~Brandon Smith -Bottom of Devils Delight -2001
Thanks for the reply's. Once I get a better computer I will be sure to buy a G25 and get into this more. I am still living with my rents and having trouble getting my car straitened out. Not alot of time or money to do anything fun.
I remember when graphical ability was 2nd to being S1 liscensed.
I know I need to get up to speed with S2's ability. Hopefully soon.
I remember when graphical ability was 2nd to being S1 liscensed.
I know I need to get up to speed with S2's ability. Hopefully soon.
Sorry, I'm just not that into this all to get a computer that can run this sort of stuff. This is a hobbie for me, not a lifestyle.
I setup my vehicles by what I learned in real life building drift oriented cars. If I wanted bigger angle, or for that matter, realistic looking graphics I would have spent more money on what I am using.
Thanks for the helpful tips on how to improve my video's/driving though.
I setup my vehicles by what I learned in real life building drift oriented cars. If I wanted bigger angle, or for that matter, realistic looking graphics I would have spent more money on what I am using.
Thanks for the helpful tips on how to improve my video's/driving though.
Got it right...
Small mix of rock and a practice session on a set of (rear) tires. I mixed it and edited it per the tutorial's instruction.
Keeping it short so I dont catch the greif I did last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH0SfaHesAw
Just practice. Not trying to walk around like I have an S on my chest or anything.
Keeping it short so I dont catch the greif I did last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH0SfaHesAw
Just practice. Not trying to walk around like I have an S on my chest or anything.
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